When I look at people at Tea Parties I see folks genuinely concered about the future of the country and the erosion of its founding principles. If that’s “rage” we need more of it, not less. But I have a feeling Peggy Noonan has been to as many Tea Parties as I’ve been to Chomsky lectures:

Yeah, Tea Party rage isn’t what wins elections. Like the time the Tea Party said “argue with them and get in their face.” Oh wait, that was President Obama. Or when the Tea Party raged that “voting is the best revenge.” Sorry… that was Obama too.

And then there was the time the Tea Party angrily pandered to blacks by warning “they’re gonna put y’all back in chains!” Oops, that was Joe Biden… nevermind.

Anyway, Noonan’s point is that rage doesn’t win over converts. Republican rage. Nonexistent Republican rage. Democrat rage retains the White House.


73 Responses to “Peggy Noonan: Tea Party Style of Rage is Not One That Wins Over Converts”

  1. Marshall_Will on November 12th, 2012 6:33 pm

    Right Auntie Peg, "friendly persuasion" ought to work just fine in the face of Soft Coup Part II, Executive Orders OTA and daily thrashing of The Constitution. Good advice!

    This makes clear the LAST thing we Conservatives need right now is people that are outside of the movement trying to critique and SCULPT the movement. By her assessment we should all slip into a coma and hibernate until The Fundamental Transformation is complete…

  2. archer on November 12th, 2012 6:36 pm

    First, I object to being referred to as being “concussed” by the outcome and the reason is what I posted the other day:

    With a billion dollar campaign war chest and three major international American, and countless local broadcast companies, newspapers, magazines, and web sites behind him, and still he had to go to B of A and borrow millions more (which was a thin veil for another Warren Buffett campaign contribution) yet the libs only won by something like two million votes?

    Even if all two million of the winning votes were legal, which conservatives do not concede, that’s hardly a victory to celebrate.

    Although losing is never fun, Romney/Ryan, conservatives, the GOP, and the true America-loving voters have no reason to act or feel “concussed.”

    That is not to say that changes do not need to be made. The most obvious change is to nominate someone with a fire in their belly. I want to see some anger at what has been and is being done to my country, some fire within.


    However, what did “concuss” me was the lack of Romney’s energy when talking about and attacking zero’s four year record.


    One reason, I think, the Tea Party didn’t attract more young American voters is because of the way government schools, and especially inner-city black schools, are re-writing American history and so they have nothing with which to equate the name, “Tea Party.”

  3. archer on November 12th, 2012 6:40 pm

    “Right Auntie Peg, "friendly persuasion"….”

    We saw the result of that last week.

  4. Marshall_Will on November 12th, 2012 7:23 pm

    Did the whole "The Men That Built America" marathon yesterday and the parallels between the William Jennings Bryan and William McKinley jump out of your screen and strangle you from across the room!

    The roles, parties and times were inverse, this time w/ Soro-Buffet et al pulling the strings for Repressive 'victory'. Where the analogy FAILS however is in 1896, there were absolutely -zero- entitlement programs, and hence, effectively no DEBT.

    One of MM's posters noted we're reverting BACK to the "Gilded Age" were the connected and wealthy call all the shots, sculpt the nation as they see fit and get away w/ murder in broad daylight. I have an application in to become Crazy Uncle Warren's butler.

  5. backwoodsconsr on November 12th, 2012 8:04 pm

    I think where the Democrats are winning is in their ability to play on the emotions of the voters. There are a whole lot of people out there who have no depth to their thinking and are therefore easily misled by arguments that have a lot of emotional appeal but no factual basis.

    I stood in line at the poll with a woman who said she voted for Obama in 2008 because she felt that a black person could bring a different way of looking at things, and that she felt that Hillary could bring a different outlook by being a woman. She did say she was going to vote for Mitt this time, but the shallowness of her reasoning frightened me. She had none of our kind of knowledge of policies and the historical success and failure thereof. Her occupation? Teacher.

    Elections have become a matter of reason vs enotion, and emotion is winning.

  6. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 8:18 pm

    Scary, ain`t it ? Soc-ial-ism or full blown comm-unism is all about emotions. People jump on board because they believe it / know nothing else or submit because they fear they have few if any options ! Either way, too little thought is given to what is really involved and the inevitable result !

  7. Granny55 on November 12th, 2012 8:18 pm

    I think where the Democrats are winning is that the RINO's are caving in to their demands faster than Road Runner. Simply Disgusting!!!

  8. archer on November 12th, 2012 8:23 pm

    Sorry, I don’t know what you’re referring to, M_W. If this was something on TV then I missed it because I haven’t had a TV for many years.

  9. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 8:28 pm

    O/T: just got this email alert; thought it interesting how many states are considering secession now that LA has led the way. 21 now !

    Note two things:
    It is individuals who have started the petitions, NOT elected officials.
    EVERY signer must submit a real email address so once 25,000 signatures have been reached and the petition is submitted to the gov`s "We the People" website, the gov., IF they choose to respond, will send a response to every signatore. That means they will know EVERY person who is a "trouble maker".

  10. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 8:32 pm

    Yep, Weepy Bonehead must go. My own new Rep. to the House (replaced Heath Shuler) is talking about not trying to repeal O`Scare.

    At least our state gov. that went even more R majority is talking about the 10th Amendment and strengthening anti-Dem. measures. I have hope on the state level !

  11. backwoodsconsr on November 12th, 2012 8:39 pm

    The real troublemakers are in Washington, D.C.

  12. archer on November 12th, 2012 8:39 pm

    "trouble maker"

    I’m sure that’s what King George thought about the Founders.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    -Thomas Jefferson


  13. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 9:24 pm

    Of course they are, but as Doug`s title shows, it is another opportunity taken by the left to falsely accuse US of doing what the left is ACTUALLY doing !

    The signatories could be recipients of intense scrutiny by some of those 16,000 new IRS agents, FBI, DHS and a host of other agencies that investigate troubling situations and people !

  14. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 9:26 pm

    I thought it fascinating but not too surprising that NC is among them, but almost shocked that NY is also on the list …. until I realized it is individuals initiating the petitions ! Cali could be next by that formula !

  15. Granny55 on November 12th, 2012 10:23 pm

    Here is a flash! Republican Party is DEAD. I withdrew my association with them today. No more. They can go to hell. Any takers on a third party name????

  16. Granny55 on November 12th, 2012 10:25 pm

    Uhhhh don't hold your breath on Cali….. it is a lost cause just like Detroit Michigan.

  17. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 11:32 pm

    I just meant that since the petitions are started by individuals, any state could have one. Maybe even more than one, Dude ! I`m not about to hold my breath on them.

    I have serious doubts Obumble would allow any state to secede, but the names on the petitions would no doubt find themselves on the list for closer looks by Big Sis !

  18. SignPainterGuy on November 12th, 2012 11:38 pm

    Constitution, Freedom, Liberty, American, Founders, Free Enterprise or even Tea Party !

  19. archer on November 13th, 2012 2:25 am


    The MSM web sites sure are playing zero up as the dumbest, most ignorant, out-of-the-loop president ever. Everything about Gen. Patraeus is now on the FBI and zero didn’t know anything.

    Like Benghazi, while people around him seemed to know, some even “for months” he never heard anything and was kept totally out of the loop until Petraeus’ resignation hit the most unused desk in Chicago DC on the Potomac, according to the zero shield bearers, the MSM.

    What a useless invertebrate lump. Put it over there in the same tank with the other specimens, the rhinoceros McCainous and the rhinoceros Boehnerosis.

  20. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 3:54 am

    Now it`s up to 27 states asking to secede.

    Obama`s pResidency is now even more historic; not since Lincoln preceding the Civil War have this many states asked to secede from the union.

  21. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 4:01 am

    Well, when you go down that road, it's not like you'd concern yourselves w/ 'permission' any more..? Not sure if I'm reading you right, but it's more a matter of THEIR seceding from US!

    This demographic/ideological FRACTURE has been forming for years. We can safely say it's an eventuality. Can you imagine how swiftly former diehard, dedicated Progs would suddenly find the chutzpah to bail and fleebag after only a few months into their economically hollowed out hell holes?

  22. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 4:08 am

    The History Channel did a great mini-series on Carnegie, Rockefeller, Edison and their contributions and conflicts. It was ironic that say the Johnstown Flood, as a result of Carnegie's right hand man's earthen damn at their country club swept away the town and families below it.

    Repressives will point to that as the arrogance and fatal flaw of "capitalism" but I'll choose that to represent an event more analogous to ObamaCare.

    As the people most like to be affected ( swept away ) we sounded warning cries from inception. We BEGGED them not to go through with it, and at one point, thought it was DOA. Just look at the many lists posted around the internet showing all the layoffs and shutdowns just SINCE the election. Better to drown…

  23. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 4:46 am

    Hey Obama, that means only 30 left for you to assert your Repressive fundamental change over! Better get on them before they change their minds too!

    Sorry guys, but at the risk of sounding alarmist, there's a Whole Lotta' Time between here and January 20th and just about anything can happen. As I said that night and following day, "Who looked more surprised by the election 'results' than Obama HIMSELF!?"

  24. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 4:47 am


    I'll be attending our State GOP Official Headrolling tomorrow so I'll let you know!

  25. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 11:58 am

    Yep, the game is… make him look like the smartest guy EVER! before the election, then afterward, make him look like a dolt.

    Then, around January/February of 2014, he'll start to be the Messiah again… until after the election…

    Repeat, until mid 2015, when they'll start questioning the 22nd Amendment, and why so many racists put it there.

  26. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 1:10 pm

    Barry may have been kept in the dark about the depths of the voter fraud carried out by Axelcrud (who guaranteed an O win).

    Texas alone has over 60,000 signatures. Glenn Beck sees it as I do; it`s not too smart to put your name on a list going to WH.guv !

  27. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 1:35 pm

    "I think where the Democrats are winning is in their ability to play on the emotions of the voters"

    Exactly right. And what scares me more is that many are talking about a Constitutional Convention. It may sound great up front, but just stop and think who would be rewritting a new Constitution. On one side you would have the Reid, Pelosi and Obama wind of Democrats and on the other you would have Boehner and McConnel (or their hand picked surogates that would not include any Tea Party Congressional members) side of Republicans.

    After that they would use the same tactics Obama and the media used to sell his re-election to sell a new Constitution to the peopel and I bet that new Consttitution would have far less freedoms and more power to the government.

  28. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 1:39 pm

    Exactly. The site says it willr eview and respond when 25,000 signatures are met. Of course the official response will be nothing more than a we cannot grant this petition, but thanks for playing type response. The unofficial response will be the creation of an enemies list.

    Just look at what the liberals are doing to companies that have said they are looking at either laying off employees or reducing their hours to under 30/ week to avoid Obamacare. These companies are facing harsh critisim in the MSM and liberal groups are threatening boycotts (which makes no sense, because if you boycott the company then the company could go bankrupt and all the employees loose thier jobs).

  29. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 1:43 pm

    I dont see any President allowing the succession of any state on their watch willingly and for different reasons. In Obama's case, he knows that if he were to allow states to secede many Conservatives and alot of the wealthy would move to those states. If this happens then Obama would run out of other peoples money a whole lot sooner and the whole charade would come crumbling down.

  30. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 2:01 pm

    I`m seeing a very long and much-expanded "enemies list".

    "….the company could go bankrupt and all the employees lose their jobs)."

    That`s irrelevant in the class warfare game. It`s all about stickin` it to the man. Gotta make those evil rich guys pay for daring to be successful off the backs of workers. Just blame the rich for the loss of those jobs.

  31. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 2:30 pm

    The sad thing is that so many of them would see it that way.

  32. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 2:30 pm

    I thought about it, but having a domain name like jeffythequick.com makes it pretty easy to find me.

    But then again, it's not that hard to track information on the Internet, and a pseudonym and an internet cafe won't help.

  33. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 2:41 pm

    No doubt the WH has some of the best young hackers in its employ for just such search purposes. There`s no hiding from them.

  34. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 2:47 pm

    Just saw over at the DC that the petitions are at 47 states now (WA, VT and Mass are the only ones to not have petitions). LA and TX have reached the 25,000 signature mark and there are over 375,000 peopel as of last night that have signed.

  35. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 2:47 pm

    However, splitting the country up might not be a bad thing. Successful (more or less) examples:

    Czechoslovakia to Czech Republic and Slovakia
    Russia into the CIS
    Yugoslavia (yes, there was a war, however, the end result was separate countries)

    I think that those that are making the case for secession have a valid point: The purpose of the United States was to have a Federal Government to protect from, negotiate with, and trade with other countries. The rest was up to the states, until the Progs took over both parties in the early 20th Century.

    Here's my plan, if such a thing happened would be:
    A two year separation where people could move freely between the two countries
    Military assets within the new country would belong to the new country
    Military personnel would be asked, without prejudice, to choose one or the other. Those that chose to the new country would be honorably discharged.
    Navy assets would be distributed on a proportional basis of populations' federal taxes paid by the inhabitants of the new country and the USA
    The National Debt would be distributed proportionally by the spending on welfare on the citizens

    I'd also propose that the new country simply adopt the US Constitution, as written, sans 16th and 17th Amendments.

  36. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 2:50 pm

    I just don't like the "Hotel California" aspect of the states…

    You can check in, but you can never leave…

    Where is that written in the US Constitution?

  37. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 2:53 pm

    Here is something interesting. Texas actually has the ability to transform itself into 5 seperate states. If they were to do that they would be entitled to 10 senators under the Constitution instead of the 2 they have now.

  38. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 2:56 pm

    That is just it….it isn't written anywhere in the Constution regarding the legality of a state to leave the Union. In other words it doesn't say you can and it doesn't say you can't. I guess it was one of those things that the Founders figured would never come to pass.

  39. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 3:04 pm

    Not bad !

  40. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 3:05 pm

    At least one of them would incl. Austin, so count that as possibly 8 conservative Senators.

  41. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 3:14 pm

    Well, with the system they set up, why would anyone want to? I mean…

    If you get attacked, you have (at least) 12 other states that will help you out.

    You don't have to compete with other states for trade deals.

    You get to set your own rules, as long as they don't interfere with Article I, Section 8.

    I think that's why these states want to leave. They signed up for something, and then the bait and switch happened.

  42. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 3:24 pm

    O/T…How's this for a Veteran's Day "thank you" from the Obama administration:

    171,000 Retirees Likely To Lose TRICARE Prime Option.

    With the presidential election over, Defense officials are expected to announce soon that military retirees and their dependents living more than 40 miles from a military treatment facility or base closure site will lose access to TRICARE Prime, the military's managed care option.

  43. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 3:28 pm

    No kidding. That interference has gone a long way towards making it possible for the mooches to push for the makers to pay for everything and that is going to be the undoing of everything.

  44. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 3:30 pm

    Sounds like a plan to me. The only real sticking point in my opinion would be how best to divide the country East to West or North to South and which side would get which part.

  45. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 3:40 pm

    How can that be ? Obama says he LOVES the military !

    With "love" like that, who needs "hate" ?

  46. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 3:56 pm

    There are a few people here at the base that have Tricare prime and live more than 40 miles away. They are pissed, because now they will have to go elsewhere for their healthcare at a higher cost (and they work at the military hospital on base). I am laughing at them, because they were all big Obama supporters.

  47. backwoodsconsr on November 13th, 2012 3:58 pm

    As long as South Carolina is in the sane part I'll be happy. We were the first state to secede from the Union, but we may not be the last.

  48. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 4:08 pm

    Maps of those states would look like snakes in wood piles !

  49. SignPainterGuy on November 13th, 2012 4:13 pm

    Anyone working in a military / VA hospital shouldn`t miss the ill effects of gov. bureaucracy and inefficiency. They must have been willfully blind ! And they supported the Destroyer-in-Chief ? Willful stoopidity !

  50. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 5:20 pm

    They all were looking for their Obama phone I tell you. The ones that were willfully stupid are also the ones that willingly join the Federal workers union even though the Feds are a right to work employer (kinda funny when you think about that).

  51. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 5:25 pm

    I don't see the N/S division as a problem. I mean, we have a country between us and Alaska.

    Just have it as such:
    Any state that wants to live with the Founders' intentions of a LIMITED Federal Government, sign up!

    It'd be funny to imagine New Hampshire trying to keep out all the illegals from Vermont, Maine, and Massachusetts!

  52. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 5:28 pm

    The DC has this article regarding why Texas could make it work should they leave the Union:

  53. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 5:30 pm

    And now this petition:

    W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede

  54. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 5:50 pm

    Exactly what is John Boehner's crowning achievement as Speaker, much less as a representative?

  55. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 5:51 pm

    Let me get this straight, Progressives, after years of rolling out the red carpet for any Illegal that's willing to vote Dem suddenly want native born citizens DEPORTED..?

    Simply for expressing their dissatisfaction w/ the Obamarcos Administration! Yeah good luck w/ that. If Obamarcos was kept in the dark about the sheer EXTENT of voter fraud ( he all but said his good-byes and the pop. vote in no WAY squares w/ his rally attendance! ) He certainly knows about it now!

  56. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 5:54 pm

    Exile them to the new country, where the Constitution is followed!

    It's a win-win!

    Notice how this petition calls for something unconstitutional, namely the Executive Order?

    I read somewhere about the legislative powers resting in the Congress, with it having two houses… the Senate have two from each state, and a House of Representatives comprised of an apportioned number of members from each state.

    Oh yeah… the US Constitution has something along those lines.

  57. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 5:59 pm

    What makes it more dense on the part of Obamarcos supporters is it wasn't like there hadn't been AMPLE rumors TriCare was in their crosshairs!

    How DENSE of them! And what does the member's drive to receive care have anything to do w/ the eligibility for Prime? It's not like they were sending a van out to pick them up for their appointments?

    I have a few things I need done and while no one wants to go in for eye surgery, looks like I'll HAVE to to take the plunge and get it over with before Obamarcos just issues me a freaking cane.

  58. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 6:01 pm

    Oh, and 'deported' WHERE exactly! Almost as ridiculous as when people tell MM "You should go back to where you CAME from..!"

  59. jeffythequick on November 13th, 2012 6:11 pm

    Why would Michelle go back to Philadelphia?

  60. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 6:22 pm

    Other than weeping openly and rolling over for Obama…….

    He does need to go, but my guess is he wills tay speaker and that will spell more doom come the midterms in 2014.

  61. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 6:25 pm

    That is exactly what I was thinking when I first read that. Almost makes you want to sign the petition in hopes that this one would come to pass.

    Then the reality of it hits you like a ton of bricks and you realize Obama would never "deport" those of us that pay for his supporters lifestyles.

  62. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 6:26 pm

    No kidding. Would we get to pick the country to be deported to? If so I say we all tell them New Zeland…

  63. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 6:31 pm

    The elegibility for Prime has to do with the living within a 40 mile radius of the treatment facility. If outside the 40 miles then they no longer qulaify for Prime which means they have to go to an outside provider and pay higher out of pocket expenses.

    Alot of those pissed of Fed workers are finding out that this will hit them now. It is not uncommon to find many of these workers going to appointments or picking up meds from the military hospital on the clock. They feel that their place of work is the military hospital, so they are not leaving their place of duty to go to an appointment. Under these new rules they would have to go outside the hospital for care meaning they would have to take leave or sick time and pay higher costs to boot.

    Like I said, makes me laugh at the debacle they have placed themselves in with their vote for Obama.

  64. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 6:32 pm

    O/T…How's this for transparency in the Obama administration:

    The name Richard Windsor may sound innocuous, but it is allegedly one of the secret “alias” email accounts used by Obama EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.


  65. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 6:40 pm

    Understood. Sounds like more "If you live outside a Major [Purple} Citadel ( then I guess you're on your OWN! )" type mentality.

    Notice how during the 60's when "Our inner cities are crumbling, we need to pump billions there to revitalize them!" never worked in the inverse when rural, largely White Red State areas became awash in Meth/dope.

    Local sheriffs on limited budgets going toe-to-toe against the limitless funding of the cartels. Sounds "fair enough!" to big city Dims..? This is where the seeds of secession were sown. IMHO

  66. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 6:45 pm

    “If they do use a private account to do official business,” reports the Examiner, “they are required to make that available to their employing department or agency.”

    Yeah, if you're going to storm into a village and decapitate the first 5 guys you see, at least you could use your real name? Funny how she chose the quintessential white guy name to HIDE behind? Cute is as cute does… Only, it's not so cute!

  67. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 7:04 pm

    Before he served for the U.S Marines in WWI, my grandfather was from Sophia Bulgaria. So I guess we know where I'M getting shipped off to! Mrs. Will just got back from the Philippines and we've been set up there for a long time. Nice beach house, a few small biz's.

    And why all the FUSS Repressives? We've had an open invite to get sent packing on a daily basis from you people! This isn't over by a longshot. Not a WEEK after getting his mandate and the GTFOOD petitions are circulating like wildfire.

  68. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 7:04 pm

    And as the article points out, this is only one of many aliases. If all the alias accounts of all the different officials is ever uncovered we would have a treasure trove of evidence as to what was known and when about every scandal that we know of and probably quite a few that we havent even heard of yet.

  69. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 7:11 pm

    The "war on the rural" has been going on for years. Form the pulling funding to the inner cities to the enviornemental wackos dictating how rural lands can and cannot be used. Now it looks like Obama is poised to push the war to the next level and start punishing those who live outside of cities proper. This is just one of the many things he has in the works. Just like the carbon tax idea he is floating is meant to punish commuters (and control our movement by controlling our driving habits).

  70. Marshall_Will on November 13th, 2012 7:47 pm

    According to Big City Prog's, anyone that lives -outside- their ability to reach into your wallet and TAX the living hell out of you, but where your employer IS in the city.., where they're concerned we're nothing but a bunch of mooches!

    I lived w/ that for years as I commuted to my high paying sales exec. job in Portland. I had the maturity not to plead a case for W-2 employees being able to deduct their mileage expense ( after all it was MY choice to live in the country ) for fear of this very backlash!

    Well here we are and now..?

  71. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 8:01 pm

    I did the same when we lived out in Troutdale and I commuted into downtown when I worked for AAA (over on Market St). I never tried to deduct for mileage for the same reasons.

  72. Truesoldier__ on November 13th, 2012 9:39 pm

    Speaking of Austin. Now there is a petition (by liberals) to allow Texas to leave the Union, but allow Austin to stay.

  73. backwoodsconsr on November 13th, 2012 10:11 pm

    It don't matter who's in Austin, Bob Wills is still the king.

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