The left-wing Soros-funded “watchdog” group Media Matters often cracks me up for many reasons (especially when they “debunk” comments of mine that anybody with an IQ over their hat size could tell were intentionally snarky). Their latest debunking has to do with a headline at the Fox Nation blog, and it’s a classic example of Media Matters-style “fact checking.”

The Media Matters headline (I won’t link… Google search if you wish) is “Fox Nation debunked by Fox News.”

They want you to immediately think, “Wow, a conservative news organization debunks a conservative blog… how embarrassing!

As usual with Media Matters, you have to examine their methods — or lack thereof. Here’s what happened: A Fox Nation headline that ran after Obama’s SOTU speech read, “Obama pleads for billions in new deficit spending.”

Media Matters as usual immediately clicked into “literal” mode and claimed that the very article Fox Nation linked to at Fox News debunks that, because the article at Fox News quoted Obama in his SOTU speech saying “nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.”

Everybody with a brain producing at least as much energy as a potato clock knows Obama’s claim is BS, but because the sole arbiter of fact-or-fiction for Media Matters is whatever Obama says, it’s the undeniable truth.

Here’s how it works. Let’s take as an example Obama claiming “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.” Now let’s also assume the USA Today runs that quote. Now let’s assume Mr. Generic Guy wrote an article pointing to evidence that there’s a good chance millions of Americans won’t be able to keep their doctors because of Obamacare. Media Matters would have their next headline: “USA Today debunks Mr. Generic Guy’s claim about health care law.” It’s their way of getting around coming right out and saying “that person is wrong — how do we know? Obama said so.” Not that Media Matters would have an aversion to the latter.

That’s just one example of the kinds of tricks they play, and I wouldn’t mind as much if our tax dollars weren’t helping fund the joke.


35 Responses to “Debunking We Can Can’t Believe In”

  1. Marshall_Will on February 13th, 2013 7:04 pm

    From MM's "Oh look, there aren't enough California doctors to service Obamacare" thread:

    On February 11th, 2013 at 11:03 am, Marshall_Will said:


    "The Left’s problem lies in their inability to even distinguish what actual “fact checking” consists of any more? Semantic laden, slickly produced, official looking’s echoing already released WH versions serve as all the corroboration they’ll ever need!

    All real journo-tools know this."

  2. Truesoldier__ on February 13th, 2013 7:08 pm

    O/T…Doug, this one is just begging for some ridicule:

    Delaware Senator Tom Carper described the service at his local post office as "not friendly or welcoming" while praising the folks at the Transportation Security Administration for a "greater friendliness and helpfulness."

    Hmm, a Dem Senator saying that the postal service needs to be "more friendly" like the TSA… special delivery a whole new meaning!

  3. Truesoldier__ on February 13th, 2013 7:11 pm

    But Doug, dear leaders statement is true. What he is calling for will not raise the deficit a single dime….it will raise it closer to 60 billion dimes.

  4. Doug on February 13th, 2013 7:29 pm

    I stand corrected!

  5. Doug on February 13th, 2013 7:29 pm

    Funny… I'll check that out. Thanks!

  6. Marshall_Will on February 13th, 2013 7:35 pm

    "The debt-laden United States Post Office announced that it will end Saturday delivery of first-class mail in an attempt to cut costs — it posted a $16 billion loss in 2012, defaulted on its $11.1 billion retiree health benefit prefunding payments and tapped out its $15 billion lifeline with Treasury."

    In reading his 'testimony' ( which you or I would get laughed out of the BOARD ROOM for being that ineffectual? ) it's basically a plea for even more financial shoring/levitation. Rep's are being SLAMMED by USPS workers to keep the sham afloat.

    Oh and I'm SURE Carper has aides that not only deliver his mail and packages, but pick out the fru-fru gifts as well…

  7. Truesoldier__ on February 13th, 2013 7:54 pm

    Then again, if the postal service were to pay for being as "friendly" as the TSA they might just show a profit.

  8. SignPainterGuy on February 13th, 2013 8:45 pm

    Barry also promised that no one making less than $200,000.00 a year would see their taxes go up a single dime. Nope, dollars instead; MANY dollars ! And then there was the left screaming Bloody Murder and How Dare You, etc. at the mention by Rep. Bachmann about Death Panels; Barry`s choosing them now.

  9. Marshall_Will on February 13th, 2013 8:51 pm

    Nice catch, forgot about that one!

    Mrs. Will and I were so looking forward to getting daughter #2 OFF our health plan. No longer a FT student, over 26, married..! It was around $200 a mo. No sooner is she given the boot and Bammie-hike kicks in!

    We never saw a DIME. "I don't think that word means what you 'think' it means?" Yeah, I know…

  10. SignPainterGuy on February 13th, 2013 11:11 pm

    There are lots of words Barry & Co. don`t know the meaning of, like Laser. It doesn`t mean, "broad-beamed as a car headlight …. that`s burnt out" ! His focus on job creation is beyond fuzzy and dim.

  11. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 1:15 pm

    Openly wondering if Barry hasn't come to dread delivering the same lip service to 'democracy', capitalism/freedom/economic 'recovery' speech time after time? Clearly His def. and 49.9% of voters aren't in agreement?

    One aspect we've left unexplored from yesterday is Doug's links really challenging the tax-exempt status of Media Muckers. In *all* regards, they push they envelope, in several, they CROSS it. A handful of Conservative activists are trying to get the plug pulled, because if you [essentially] want to wage "a war on Fox", that's fine. Just don't expect the rest of us to SUBSIDIZE it…

  12. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 1:45 pm


    Noticed KATU reported this AM that a WA "coalition of Mayors" is pushing for *another* gas tax hike. This time, another 8 cents. Well, along w/ any number of fees/highway robbery.

    It's dumb when you think about b/c the $'s "earmarked" for roads got hijacked along the way and why would 'mayors' ( coalition or otherwise ) be the catalyst for instigating something that is largely a county/STATE issue..?

  13. Truesoldier__ on February 14th, 2013 1:47 pm

    Agrred. To be honest this is the perfect time to go after the subsidy of public television. If the left tries to throw up the usual defense of "the GOP wants to kill Big Bird" the GOP should respond with "no we just don't want to fund pedophiles like Elmo".

  14. Pasadena Phil on February 14th, 2013 1:53 pm

    It's not a perception problem. They know exactly what they are doing. It's willful ignorance so as to dominate the narrative by stepping on the "enemy" with ridicule and outright lies. (I'm surprised they didn't pull out the "phildo" missile on you Doug). It's about pissing in your space to scare off anyone thinking of defending you. Piss on key people and you eliminate a line of thinking in the discussion.

    It's how you know you are dealing with progressives. And it works in any political language. whether they are speaking openly as progressives or sailing under false colors pretending to be a conservative so as to infiltrate a conservative blog thread. The tactics are the irrefutable giveaway.

  15. Truesoldier__ on February 14th, 2013 2:03 pm

    O/T…Looks like Bloomingidiot is at it again:

  16. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 2:05 pm

    Thinking same as I tend to view Media Matters, NPR/Corp. For Public Broadcasting etc. all feeding from the same trough. And it really IRKS me decent people like MM have to be forced to listen to themselves being slandered on "public radio". Really? THAT is where my tax $'s are going?!

    Doug's link offered feeble defense in; "Well, to one degree or another, we're ALL 'subsidized'?" That's your defense? Who's your atty., Otter from Animal House?

  17. Pasadena Phil on February 14th, 2013 2:05 pm

    Sounds like something the RNC would say. They came out of their annual retreat declaring that there is nothing wrong with the GOP leadership nor with the party platform that a few more smiley faces can't cure. Apparently the reason Romney and so many other Rovians lost is because they came off as grumpy and couldn't get their message out with their otherwise effective content-free campaign strategy.

    The "stupid" is infecting just about everyone in office these days.

  18. Truesoldier__ on February 14th, 2013 2:26 pm

    Yeah I heard about that as well. They are pushing against a rising tide of poed voters. The voters in this state have not only reinforced the 2/3rds majority to raise taxes via legislation, but they also repealed a slew of taxes that were passed with the state legislature (and former governor) briefly removed the 2.3rds majority. Add on top of that the rising gas prices (.25 in the last two weeks) and theses mayors (probably lead by Mike McGinn out of Seattle) wont get any traction.

    Of course if the state would stop charging itself sales tax on construction material (so as to skim the gas tax money into the general fund) and stop all the HOV lane and mass transit priority funding there would be plenty of cash on hand to fix the roads.

  19. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 2:34 pm

    Firstly, I find it highly suspect "the city creates 10,000 new parking spaces a year". Tossing unsubstantiated ( or one time event ) numbers out there like that should beam red flags into Conservative retinas. Since 'when', Guliani? Dinkens? ( Last week? )

    It's design is to make the man on the street feel 'selfish' they can't make room in their lives for "a measly 20%!" for enviro-friendly elec. cars. Even if they did manage to pony up for 10k spots, it would barely keep up w/ pop. growth.

    We need to make sure any of their proposals are right-sized and given the Dolt accounts for .002% of GM's sales..?

  20. Truesoldier__ on February 14th, 2013 2:38 pm

    And if Bloomy decided to "fundementally transform" 20% of the spaces into electric only spaces it will do two things.

    1. Hurt businesses as there are less parking spaces in a city that already has parking issues. Seattle has seen this happen and this was from the mayor doing away with free parking on Sundays, causing the majority of shoppers to go to Bellvue where the parking is still free.

    2. Increase the cities "revenue" stream via all the parking tickets for those who decide to try and beat the odds and park their non-electric vehicle in an electric only spot.

  21. SignPainterGuy on February 14th, 2013 2:39 pm

    I read a few yrs ago that some reserved parking spots cost over $100,000. a yr. Others with less security and protection from the elements cost $40,000. With some nothing apartments renting for $2,000. a month, how does ANYONE afford to live in NYC or even WANT to ?!

  22. SignPainterGuy on February 14th, 2013 2:47 pm

    I suspect most of those "electric only" spots will sit empty because there aren`t that many electric cars in the whole country, much less in NYC alone !

  23. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 2:54 pm

    Ha! Can't tell you how many times I've had to walk it off for even 'responding' to one of your posts at MM's! ( That you and I agree on everything? ) Let's see.., I've been accused of?

    Agreed, David Brock may be a paranoid schizo ( with a private army ) but that doesn't mean his acts are random. People think this is so 'difficult' to defend when we see it everyday!

    We all know lots of people, usually at work, that consider themselves Conservatives. But every time they're given a chance they: 1) Deny the obvious, 2) Spin like mad and 3) Blame the victim! Like clockwork.

  24. Pasadena Phil on February 14th, 2013 2:56 pm

    The Postmaster General was interviewed last week on CNBC by Simon Hobbs (British transplant) where the PG claimed that as a quasi-private organization, he is trying to manage the USPS as a corporation. Hobbs hit him square between the eyes asking him if a private corporation, facing spiraling sales would have raised prices while cutting back services provided? He further remarked that the PG was talking more like a union leader than a CEO of a company.

    It's not just Santelli these days who is hitting these skunks hard. Maria Bartiromo has been on a tear for the past year.

  25. Pasadena Phil on February 14th, 2013 3:11 pm

    I think a lot of the problem with being a conservative is our deep-seated need to be agreeable and polite. I just put it out there, stay consistent and hope people find the courage to stick to their principles. A lot of the commenters get lost in the discussions trying to be liked. They need to be reminded that it's a blog thread.

    There used to be MANY more conservative commenters at MM but most of them threw up their hands and gave up over the mindless attacks.

    You are a Tea Party activist and if you follow closely what is going on these days with the Tea Party Patriots and particularly the Tea Party Express, things are looking up. They are collecting a lot of money for 2014 and have found an articulate and bold fighter in Rand Paul to lead the charge.

    And with Mark Levin finally waging the long-delayed open war with Rove and the GOP establishment, this could be an off-year election for the Tea Party that will serve as the tipping point for conservatives and the GOP. The threat of a well-funded Rand Paul with strong name recognition as the Rovians continue to fragment the GOP is chilling for the GOP establishment. They really don't know what to do. Even Forbes published an article yesterday opining on The Weekly Standard's article about how Rove is turning the GOP into the Whigs.

    We are nearing a tipping point and we learning about the bad economics of following Rove's advice. It is much more expensive trying to sell cancer to the dying than it is to try to sell water to the thirsty. There may not be enough money for Rove to win.

  26. jeffythequick on February 14th, 2013 3:25 pm


    In reading your posts on MM, I may have disagreed with you on points, but when (I forget who…) called you "phildo", I wanted to do what I do to people that use the word "teabagger", and that is to have them explain exactly what a phildo/teabagger is, and why it is such a put down. Don't use euphemisms, but explain exactly what you are calling me and why. If they hem/haw about it (ie. "You know… " "There are ladies present…"), I explain to them exactly what they are calling me, and then ask them if that is a true definition.

    What I respect about you, Phil, is your consistency, and being proven right over the long haul. Thank you for that. Any disagreements we may have is on points, and not on personality.

    Thank you also for coming on here, so I can at least put up a defense of you here. Heck, at this point, I don't see any time where I can do it over at MM.

    Take care,


  27. Truesoldier__ on February 14th, 2013 3:28 pm

    And they wonder why they keep loosing elections.

  28. jeffythequick on February 14th, 2013 3:32 pm

    Republican 2012 = Whig 1856

    I say, dump the brand and go Tea.

    Resurrecting the Republicans is like investing in an Atari computer. At one time, they may have been good, but since the 2600, the only thing they have as a benefit is a one time popularity that you can reminisce on, but nothing for the future.

  29. jeffythequick on February 14th, 2013 3:36 pm

    Only if them make a dedicated priority unicycle path across I-90 first… Plus, make HOV lanes at least 3 people over the age of 23, plus a pet monkey the requirement for access to them.

  30. Pasadena Phil on February 14th, 2013 3:51 pm

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone above for the support. I am always assuming that my comments at MM reflect how a lot of people think but it helps to hear it once in a while. I don't think my posts would be singled out for attack so much if they weren't hitting the target and scaring certain people. Catching flak over targets and all that.

  31. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 4:57 pm

    Well exactly. The other night when I went to see our local Dim rep. thought I'd found the 'perfect' spot and… DRAT! It's an eco-only spot!? I was tempted to go ahead and park there anyway…

    When I left it was still empty.

  32. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 4:58 pm

    Sheesh… a "Shakes The Clown" car lane. Love it…

  33. Marshall_Will on February 14th, 2013 5:01 pm

    And the *contortions* they have to jump through when -your- and Michelle's take are 100% in alignment..! What part of Kneel Before Zod didn't they GET?

    That's why the attacks get so personally directed toward 'you'. And they know they can get AWAY w/ it because they've pretty much cemented there'd be no need for M herself to even BOTHER reading the comments.

  34. SignPainterGuy on February 14th, 2013 5:31 pm

    Great comment and words of support. Same here, except ….I know EXACTLY who the commenter is and the fact that he doesn`t seem at all bothered by saying or explaining it , several times btw, costs him all my respect.

    Carry on, P.Phil !

  35. SignPainterGuy on February 14th, 2013 5:39 pm

    The local Best Buy has special parking spaces for eco-cars, pick-ups only, Handi-Capped and in some places, pregnant moms.

    One day, in the eco-car only spot was a 2010 Camaro, w/ lots of special stuff incl. a medallion stating, "506 H.P." Yep, that`d be an "eco-car" for certain ! ;-) (nuthin` on it about Flex-Fuel or Hybrid though)

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